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    PostSubject: Gulf Oil Spill   Sat Jun 12, 2010 4:13 pm

    It has been more than 50 days since the oil spill in the Gulf of Mexico, and I'm wondering how people feel about it. BP still hasn't plugged it up, and it gets worse by the day. Perhaps the hardest part is seeing pictures of animals covered in oil and dying...Some people are starting to point the finger, and I'm wondering who many of you feel is to blame.

    Personally I find those who blame it on Obama to be ridiculous. True, one could make the argument that he didn't do enough at the start, and may have underestimated it, but lets not forget that BP was doing all it could to distort the number of gallons and the overall situation to maintain its own image. Now we see how bad things really are, and they simply can't cover it up. Given this information, it's ludicrous that some call this "Obama's Katrina."

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    PostSubject: Re: Gulf Oil Spill   Sun Jun 13, 2010 5:24 pm

    It's truly horrible to see what's going on there, particularly since I live near the gulf.
    Here's a picture taken from a NASA satellite showing just how
    big the spill as of May 24th (nearly a full month ago!) -

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    As far as throwing blame around goes, I have to admit that I'm still a little sketchy
    on some of the details, but I think that there are several directions you could reasonably
    point to. BP is obviously the one primarily at fault.....I'm not totally sure, but I've heard
    that BP is using the samed plans that failed to contain an earlier spill (Ixtoc I) Could anyone
    tell me if this is the case? If so.....wow.

    As far as Obama goes, I'm inclined to think this interview makes the best case why people
    are unhappy with Obama. (it's only 6 1/2 minutes. Unfortunately, the anchor is obviously
    biased, but the person being interviewed (Mike Huckabee) makes several good points. )



    The problem I have is that Obama just appears to be posturing. He's looking for an ass to
    kick while just sitting on his own. I keep reading about how there isn't any real organization
    on the ground. The only person who's doing anything to avoid damage is apparently the
    Louisana governor.

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    PostSubject: Re: Gulf Oil Spill   Mon Jun 14, 2010 4:03 pm

    I'm sorry Smashed, but how can we believe that a former (and likely future) Republican Presidential Candidate has an objective opinion about this? Even the anchor declared her opinion, before even introducing Mike Huckabee, which is a faux pas in the journalism industry! I may agree that Obama has taken a bit too long to respond to this crisis, but this Republican assault is simply too much...must everything be politicized these days??

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    PostSubject: Re: Gulf Oil Spill   Fri Jun 18, 2010 5:12 pm

    Forsakenlament04 wrote:
    I'm sorry Smashed, but how can we believe that a former (and likely future) Republican Presidential Candidate
    has an objective opinion about this? Even the anchor declared her opinion,
    before even introducing Mike Huckabee, which is a faux pas in the journalism
    industry! I may agree that Obama has taken a bit too long to respond to this
    crisis, but this Republican assault is simply too much...Must everything be
    politicized these days??

    No reason to apoligize! It's a reasonable question, especially given the
    circumstances. I agree that the anchor was over the top.
    (Sometimes you have to wonder if there's any such thing as a real journalist...?)
    Anyway, in a sec I'll give some reasons why I would consider Huckabee's opinion on
    this to be worth listening to despite his position, but first I'd like to make my main
    point, which is that that's not what's important in this case.


    In this case, Huckabee makes several specific points (Obama hasn't put anyone in
    charge, he froze oil rigs that had nothing to do with the problem, he hasn't been trying
    to work with BP to clean the spill, etc.) Once you get to specific points, you can at least
    analyze what they say objectively, regardless of what bias there may be. When
    someone avoids talking about things objectively and specifically, that's the biggest warning
    sign in my experience. Out of honest curiosity, do you disagree with any of the points he made?


    Second, it's not just the Republicans. Several major liberals who supported
    Obama (Chris Matthews, Keith Olbermann for example) trash his recent speech
    as being empty, and are disgusted at how nothing specific was ever said. ([You must be registered and logged in to see this link.])

    Most meaningful of all these, a survey taken indicates that most people in LA disapprove of
    Obama's leadership on this issue - heck, a majority of voters there think George
    W. Bush did a better job with Katrina than Obama's done dealing with the spill!
    (In my experience, PPP tends to be a usually accurate polling group, though
    not on the level of Rasmussen)

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    While I'm more frustrated with BP, I do believe there are legitamite reasons one could
    blame Obama for a lack of leadership. I just don't see anything that looks like Obama
    is actually trying to fix things so much as to look tough......if there's anything I've missed
    please let me know. I would desperately love to be wrong......

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    PostSubject: Re: Gulf Oil Spill   Thu Jul 15, 2010 12:23 pm

    Well, regardless of the political pundits, who all have agendas here (huckabee certainly included), there are some facts that need to be addressed. First off, Obama DID put someone in charge, Admiral Thad Allen who has been in charge since the beginning and has been working with BP to deal with cleanup and the like. Secondly, to blame Obama and claim that he has exerted "No leadership" is flat out wrong. This is BP's problem, if the Government stepped in and took over their operations, conservatives would use it as another example of a government takeover-more "socialism" from Obama! Rolling Eyes Obama's walking a fine line here...can you imagine what it must be like for him? Just like Bush, who I supported through to the end (despite the fact that I increasingly moved away from him), people didn't consider how challenging of a situation he faced with Katrina, which, like the oil spill, took people by surprise in the extent of the damage done, and the overwhelming backlash it created against his administration. Obama is dealing with a recession, two left-over wars, immigration problems, finance reform, AND a massive oil spill whose overseers (BP) have come across as increasingly incompetent and arrogant (if you've seen the Congressional Hearings with BP CEO Hayworth, you'll know what I mean). Regardless of your political affiliation, you have to put yourselves in the President's shoes...this was dumped upon him. I doubt the man gets much sleep these days...

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